Comments on: Student manager was out of place http://dailytrojan.com/2010/02/01/student-manager-was-out-of-place/ University of Southern California Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:25:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jeff http://dailytrojan.com/2010/02/01/student-manager-was-out-of-place/comment-page-1/#comment-4316 Jeff Fri, 05 Feb 2010 01:40:37 +0000 http://dailytrojan.com/?p=7755#comment-4316 KO should be fired for his poor gameplanning. To blame the manager for this loss is laughable. Who do you blame the loss to Oregon State on?? There's a reason why KO has not succeeded in the college game anywhere he has gone. Bring back Tim! Fire Garrett. KO should be fired for his poor gameplanning. To blame the manager for this loss is laughable. Who do you blame the loss to Oregon State on??

There’s a reason why KO has not succeeded in the college game anywhere he has gone. Bring back Tim! Fire Garrett.

]]> By: bob levey http://dailytrojan.com/2010/02/01/student-manager-was-out-of-place/comment-page-1/#comment-4302 bob levey Thu, 04 Feb 2010 21:17:31 +0000 http://dailytrojan.com/?p=7755#comment-4302 then again.....maybe you should concentrate on baseball. LOL then again…..maybe you should concentrate on baseball. LOL

]]> By: bob levey http://dailytrojan.com/2010/02/01/student-manager-was-out-of-place/comment-page-1/#comment-4301 bob levey Thu, 04 Feb 2010 21:16:10 +0000 http://dailytrojan.com/?p=7755#comment-4301 In spite of what your fellow students think...and in spite of your incredible knowledge of baseball...I think you did a fantastic job on this article. Keep up the good work. In spite of what your fellow students think…and in spite of your incredible knowledge of baseball…I think you did a fantastic job on this article. Keep up the good work.

]]> By: What Is Stan Holt http://dailytrojan.com/2010/02/01/student-manager-was-out-of-place/comment-page-1/#comment-4178 What Is Stan Holt Wed, 03 Feb 2010 11:28:53 +0000 http://dailytrojan.com/?p=7755#comment-4178 [...] Student manager was out of place | Daily TrojanSo although Holt didn’t see any action on the court, he found a way to manage himself into trouble on the sideline. Literally. Stan Holt was the USC men’s basketball team manager. And if you’re wondering, yes, apparently team managers …Read more [...] [...] Student manager was out of place | Daily TrojanSo although Holt didn’t see any action on the court, he found a way to manage himself into trouble on the sideline. Literally. Stan Holt was the USC men’s basketball team manager. And if you’re wondering, yes, apparently team managers …Read more [...]

]]> By: John Vaughn http://dailytrojan.com/2010/02/01/student-manager-was-out-of-place/comment-page-1/#comment-4149 John Vaughn Wed, 03 Feb 2010 02:26:36 +0000 http://dailytrojan.com/?p=7755#comment-4149 "Holt did inexplicably shout obscenities at referee Bobby McRoy." ...... Really? is this fact? Is there irrefutable proof of this. What kind of journalism is this. You report facts as facts and allegations as allegations. Stan should not have said anything at all but perhaps its possible the ref heard the wrong person? I mean he did have his eyes on the game right? I am not sure how you got this job but I can only hope you are the only moron attending USC for Stan's sake. “Holt did inexplicably shout obscenities at referee Bobby McRoy.” …… Really? is this fact? Is there irrefutable proof of this. What kind of journalism is this. You report facts as facts and allegations as allegations. Stan should not have said anything at all but perhaps its possible the ref heard the wrong person? I mean he did have his eyes on the game right? I am not sure how you got this job but I can only hope you are the only moron attending USC for Stan’s sake.

]]> By: Jennifer K. http://dailytrojan.com/2010/02/01/student-manager-was-out-of-place/comment-page-1/#comment-4141 Jennifer K. Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:01:32 +0000 http://dailytrojan.com/?p=7755#comment-4141 As a journalist myself, I would have to say this is a trashy piece of work. You should be ashamed of yourself for producing such a piece of work -- claiming that the entire loss of the basketball team versus Oregon was solely the faults of the student manager. This is a team sport from the minute the game begins until the last buzzer. Every single action of the team can affect the outcome of the game. A missed layup early in the first half, a bad pass can change the game, and so on. To punish this student manager by firing him is a sad reflection on Coach O'Neill - he should be ashamed of himself as well. This is about upholding integrity, allowing people to make mistakes, and moving on. I am so ashamed and horribly disheartened by Coach O. As a journalist myself, I would have to say this is a trashy piece of work. You should be ashamed of yourself for producing such a piece of work — claiming that the entire loss of the basketball team versus Oregon was solely the faults of the student manager. This is a team sport from the minute the game begins until the last buzzer. Every single action of the team can affect the outcome of the game. A missed layup early in the first half, a bad pass can change the game, and so on. To punish this student manager by firing him is a sad reflection on Coach O’Neill – he should be ashamed of himself as well. This is about upholding integrity, allowing people to make mistakes, and moving on. I am so ashamed and horribly disheartened by Coach O.

]]> By: Trojan One http://dailytrojan.com/2010/02/01/student-manager-was-out-of-place/comment-page-1/#comment-4130 Trojan One Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:32:18 +0000 http://dailytrojan.com/?p=7755#comment-4130 A shallow and poorly developed piece of journalism from Mr. Haber. The technical was not the sole or even primary reason SC lost this game, even if it has been offered as an excuse by the team. To also argue that technical fouls be reserved just for star players or coaches is also silly logic. The dismissal of the student manager should be better explored since that is a direct reflection of O'Neil and his coaching. A shallow and poorly developed piece of journalism from Mr. Haber. The technical was not the sole or even primary reason SC lost this game, even if it has been offered as an excuse by the team. To also argue that technical fouls be reserved just for star players or coaches is also silly logic. The dismissal of the student manager should be better explored since that is a direct reflection of O’Neil and his coaching.

]]> By: Scott Rogge http://dailytrojan.com/2010/02/01/student-manager-was-out-of-place/comment-page-1/#comment-4127 Scott Rogge Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:45:13 +0000 http://dailytrojan.com/?p=7755#comment-4127 The declaration that the technical foul cost USC the game is simply not true. Unlike others commenting on the situation, I was at the game. In fact, I was sitting in the front row(press row) directly behind Mr Holt. I saw the refereel whip around in response to something that was said and without hesitation, called a technical foul. The technical foul did not cause a change in possession because Oregon already had the ball. Porter made both free throws so the difference in the game was 2 points. These 2 points were no more significant than any of the missed field goals or turn overs that led to Oregon scores. The notion that USC lost the game because of the technical foul is simply not true. They lost by 10. The declaration that the technical foul cost USC the game is simply not true. Unlike others commenting on the situation, I was at the game. In fact, I was sitting in the front row(press row) directly behind Mr Holt. I saw the refereel whip around in response to something that was said and without hesitation, called a technical foul. The technical foul did not cause a change in possession because Oregon already had the ball. Porter made both free throws so the difference in the game was 2 points. These 2 points were no more significant than any of the missed field goals or turn overs that led to Oregon scores. The notion that USC lost the game because of the technical foul is simply not true. They lost by 10.

]]> By: Jeff Roberts http://dailytrojan.com/2010/02/01/student-manager-was-out-of-place/comment-page-1/#comment-4123 Jeff Roberts Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:29:00 +0000 http://dailytrojan.com/?p=7755#comment-4123 What a terrible Column. Yes, Holt was out of place and should be fired for such a stupid action. People get fired for mistakes all of the time and this one was a doozy. However, the players on the court control whether or not they win or lose. A technical foul cost them a few points, but using it as an excuse for a loss will cost the team a hell of a lot more than that. I've never read your stuff before Jon, but this was very amateur. I've read better columns by 15 year old bloggers. What a terrible Column. Yes, Holt was out of place and should be fired for such a stupid action. People get fired for mistakes all of the time and this one was a doozy. However, the players on the court control whether or not they win or lose. A technical foul cost them a few points, but using it as an excuse for a loss will cost the team a hell of a lot more than that. I’ve never read your stuff before Jon, but this was very amateur. I’ve read better columns by 15 year old bloggers.

]]> By: Marc http://dailytrojan.com/2010/02/01/student-manager-was-out-of-place/comment-page-1/#comment-4118 Marc Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:46:36 +0000 http://dailytrojan.com/?p=7755#comment-4118 Saying the student manager cost the Trojans the game is ridiculous. As you noted he didn't play a single minute. Oregon was the better team and beat USC. This loss falls on the coaches and players. Saying the student manager cost the Trojans the game is ridiculous. As you noted he didn’t play a single minute. Oregon was the better team and beat USC. This loss falls on the coaches and players.

]]> By: pam http://dailytrojan.com/2010/02/01/student-manager-was-out-of-place/comment-page-1/#comment-4116 pam Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:15:42 +0000 http://dailytrojan.com/?p=7755#comment-4116 Student manager - out of place yes, responsible for game loss, don't know, didn't watch the game, but with 4:35 mintues left, think not. Keyword, student, there to learn, if he was an athlete would he be off the team? Student managers work hard, and are human and will make mistakes and are there to learn, sorry to hear the coach does not have it in him to coach him too. I am sorry to hear that a pac ten title is more important than teaching a student manager about technical fouls. Cop out - the techincal foul was with 4:35 minutes left, that was enough time for the team to win or lose the game on the court, and not blame a student manager. Did the foul help, no, would they have to work harder, yes, but I think it is a cop out to blame the student manager for the game. It is up to the coach and the team to maintain the run and momentum. Know it is hard to get back, but not impossible. Should the student manager have known better? don't know, it is up to the coach to have taught him, but this is college basketball, important yes, but worth firing a student manager for a mistake, don't know. Has he been warned? What examples have been set? What instruction has previously been put out there by the coach? Not enough answers in your article. I think the coach and the manager know the answers to these questions. And when sportsmanship is put back in lots of sports, we won't have as many technical fouls to worry about. Student manager – out of place yes, responsible for game loss, don’t know, didn’t watch the game, but with 4:35 mintues left, think not. Keyword, student, there to learn, if he was an athlete would he be off the team? Student managers work hard, and are human and will make mistakes and are there to learn, sorry to hear the coach does not have it in him to coach him too. I am sorry to hear that a pac ten title is more important than teaching a student manager about technical fouls.
Cop out – the techincal foul was with 4:35 minutes left, that was enough time for the team to win or lose the game on the court, and not blame a student manager. Did the foul help, no, would they have to work harder, yes, but I think it is a cop out to blame the student manager for the game. It is up to the coach and the team to maintain the run and momentum. Know it is hard to get back, but not impossible.
Should the student manager have known better? don’t know, it is up to the coach to have taught him, but this is college basketball, important yes, but worth firing a student manager for a mistake, don’t know. Has he been warned?
What examples have been set? What instruction has previously been put out there by the coach? Not enough answers in your article. I think the coach and the manager know the answers to these questions. And when sportsmanship is put back in lots of sports, we won’t have as many technical fouls to worry about.

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